3 Class 3 - Different Processes, Different Courts - September 8 3 Class 3 - Different Processes, Different Courts - September 8
3.1 Process Options (Handout for Clients) 3.1 Process Options (Handout for Clients)
for Getting Divorced, by Joy S Rosenthal
Process Options
There is a theory from psychotherapy that families are systems. Each person is connected to the others in many different ways – and we each have different roles to play and different expectations of the others. We act in predictable patterns of behavior, which allows us to rely on the others. By dividing responsibilities and being predictable, the family unit can get more accomplished than if each member was acting alone.
When couples split up, they must go through a family system reorganization. They must redefine their roles and establish new boundaries and expectations – both of themselves and of each other. The simplest routines have to be re-thought, and new routines have to be established. One household becomes two, and the relationship goes from being very intimate to something more like a business partnership. This can be a bumpy road.
Divorce is really the process of reorganizing the family system.
How do you begin to do this? There are a number of decisions to make and problems to solve.
One of the first questions to ask after deciding to split up, then, is who will make these decisions and how will you approach this? Mediation and collaborative process allow you to engage in difficult conversations around these issues to clarify your expectations of each other.
What do you need to decide?
Some of the most immediate decisions might be:
- When and how will you tell your family and friends about the separation?
- When and how will you tell your children about the separation?
- Who will move out? When?
The actual divorce settlement agreement will need to address a few general areas:
- How will you divide up property that you own together? This includes homes, retirement plans, bank and brokerage accounts, physical items, businesses, etc. A key part of this is determining which property is separate and which is joint, or marital.
- Will one person pay spousal support to the other? How will each partner support themselves in the future? Does one person need help to transition into being fully self-supportive? If so, how much help for how long?
If you have children, there are two other areas that need to be addressed:
- The parenting plan – How will you make decisions about the children? Where will the children spend their time? How will they spend holidays? School vacations? Summers?
- Child support – How will you each support the children financially? How will “add-on” expenses, such childcare, activities and health costs, be divided?
What process will you use to make these decisions?
How you make these decisions – whether you and your ex talk together, whether you ask lawyers to negotiate for you, or you ask a judge to decide – may have a huge impact on your experience of the divorce and your continuing relationship with your ex.
The goal in mediation and collaborative process is for the partners to work together to develop a plan that will meet the most fundamental needs of each partner and their children. The approach in both mediation and collaborative law is non-adversarial. You speak for yourself during negotiations and deal directly with your spouse. Both approaches allow you and your partner to devise your own agreement based upon your unique situation, without having it be imposed by the court. Remember, the judge may know what the "norms" are, but s/he does not know you, your spouse or your children. You are the experts on your own situation.
Divorce Mediation
You and your ex meet with a trained divorce mediator who acts as a neutral guide to assist you in identifying and working through the issues that will go into a divorce settlement agreement. The mediator can share legal information about relevant family law, although they cannot provide legal advice. This will take a series of meetings, which usually are 1½ to 2 hours in length. The mediator may recommend input from a neutral financial professional or child specialist. Once the decisions are made, the mediator will write up a proposed settlement agreement, which we recommend that you go over with a mediation-friendly reviewing attorney. The final settlement agreement can then be filed in court, together with a suite of forms the court requires to get legally divorced (sometimes referred to as “uncontested divorce papers”).
Best if:
• you have no problem being totally transparent about your financial situation
• you trust that your ex is being transparent about their financial situation
• each partner can stand up for him/herself and speak frankly
• there is a relative balance of power in the relationship
• you both want to maintain a good working relationship (i.e. if you have children)
• you want the terms of their divorce to be private
• you both are both willing and able to give the process the time and attention it requires
Advantages:
• relatively inexpensive
• the partners control the timing, tone and pace of the meetings
• the tone of the process is likely to be more cooperative and non-adversarial
• designed to help generate creative solutions
• it is geared toward self-determination
Disadvantages:
• not appropriate if
o you don’t both agree to mediate
o it is too difficult for you and your ex to sit in the room together
o one partner is hiding assets
o one partner controls the other, or if there is domestic violence
o either partner cannot make clear decisions due to mental or physical illness, or addiction
• the mediator cannot give legal advice
• the mediator cannot advocate for either partner
Collaborative Practice (aka Collaborative Law, Collaborative Divorce)
You and your ex each have specially trained collaborative attorneys and you negotiate directly but with your collaborative attorneys in the room, through a series of 4-way meetings. The lawyers’ role is to hold the ‘mediative consciousness’ of the meetings, to coach the parties on negotiation, and, when necessary, to advocate on their client’s behalf. The collaborative attorneys may recommend input from a neutral financial professional or child specialist. The key here is that if the process falls through, each partner must get a different attorney to represent them in court. In other words, the parties agree from the beginning that they will not go to court or threaten to go to court in this process.
Best if:
• you have no problem being totally transparent about your financial situation
• you trust that your ex is being transparent about his or her financial situation
• you both want to maintain a good working relationship (i.e. if you have children)
Advantages:
• attorneys and parties work together in the four-way meetings
• you both control the timing and tone of the meetings
• it is geared toward self-determination
• may provide for more flexible or creative outcomes
• attorney's presence helps to make up for power imbalances
• designed to help generate creative solutions
• the process is non-adversarial, so you and your ex can concentrate on what is best for the children
• still relatively inexpensive compared to litigation
Disadvantages:
• Both parties must agree to use special collaborative attorneys
• May not be appropriate if
o It is too emotionally difficult for you and your ex to work together
o one partner is hiding assets
o one partner controls the other, or if there is domestic violence
o either partner cannot make clear decisions due to mental or physical illness, or addiction
• More expensive than mediation
• Each side has to start over with a new attorney if the process falls through
This is the most "traditional" form of divorce, where each side has an attorney whose job is to zealously advocate for their client. This means that your ex’s attorney may see their role as helping your ex get the best deal possible, often by exposing your weaknesses, in a win/lose manner. This can be divisive to the family system, and can severely polarize ex-partners.
Most divorces don't actually go to trial, but they may go through extensive discovery processes. This can actually be one of the longest, most expensive, and most emotionally painful parts of the process. The lawyers often negotiate directly with each other, often with less input from the clients.
A contested divorce may be necessary if you think that your partner is being dishonest about her or his assets and income. It may also be necessary or preferable if there is an imbalance of power, or if there is any threat of physical violence.
Best for:
• couples where there is an imbalance of power
• couples that have big disagreements over the dividing of assets
• where one person appears to be hiding assets
Advantages:
• may be necessary if one partner is secretive or dishonest
• may be necessary if there is really a question about the fitness of one parent
• you will have your attorney guide you at each step
Disadvantages:
• Expensive - may cost tens of thousands of dollars
• may be the most contentious - and therefore the most stressful on the partners and on the children
• may drag on for months or even years
• much of the assets partners are fighting over will end up in the attorneys' pockets
Mediation |
Collaborative Process |
Contested |
Parties meet directly |
Parties meet directly |
Lawyers confer |
3-way discussions |
4-way discussions |
Discussions between lawyers |
Clients control tone & timing |
Clients control tone & timing |
Lawyers control tone |
Financial info shared on honor system |
Financial info shared on honor system |
Requires sworn statements of net worth |
Clients make decisions |
Clients make decisions |
Lawyers make recommendations for settlement or judge makes decisions |
Clients consult with attys during or at end of process |
Clients consult with attys during process |
Clients consult with attys during process |
Cooperative |
Cooperative |
May be adversarial |
Least expensive |
Less expensive |
Most expensive |
The process you use will have a big impact on your experience of divorce. It’s a good idea to take the time to figure out which process will be the best fit for your situation.
If you have questions, or for more information, please feel free to give us a call. We look forward to working with you!
For more information, there are several good Web sites:
fdmcgny.org – This is the website for the Family and Divorce Mediation Council of Greater New York, a consortium of NYC divorce mediators
nysmediate.org - This is the website for the NY State Council on Divorce Mediation, a consortium of NYS divorce mediators
www.collaborativepractice.com – This is the website for the International Academy of Collaborative Professionals
divorcenet.com - general information about divorce, published by Nolo Press.
divorcehq.com - general information, but a little more commercial
And, of course, our website:
3.2 Description of the Difference Between Family Court and Supreme Court 3.2 Description of the Difference Between Family Court and Supreme Court
Excerpt from An Argument for Joint Custody as an Option for All Family Court Mediation Program Participants by Joy S. Rosenthal, 11 N.Y. City L. Rev. 127
In New York City, African American children were more than twice as likely as white children to be taken away from their parents following a confirmed report of abuse or neglect . . . one of every 22 African-American [sic] children citywide was in foster care, compared with one of every 59 Latino children - and only one of 385 white children . . . one of every 10 children in Central Harlem was in foster care . . . one of every four African American foster children remained in foster care for five years or more. Only one in ten white children remained as long.21
One cannot address the subject of children in foster care in the United States, and especially in New York City, without staring at a shocking truth of a system that a veritable Martian couldn't help but recognize to be apartheid. In fact, my most memorable story about the practice of law in the United States was told to me by Bob Schwartz, who is the head of the juvenile law center in Philadelphia. He had made a trip to South Africa during the apartheid era, and the trip was reciprocated with a person from South Africa coming to Philadelphia to visit the juvenile court there. And, after spending a day he turned to Bob and said, *134 “[w]here's the white juvenile court?”22
3.3 Mediation & Collaborative Law 3.3 Mediation & Collaborative Law
3.3.1 Mediation Timeline 3.3.1 Mediation Timeline
Mediation Process
1. STAGE ONE: Mediation meetings – mediator is neutral
a. Usually 4-8 meetings, each 1 ½ - 2 hours, spread out over time.
b. Plan topics to be discussed, gather information needed to make informed decisions, explore options, make decisions together.
c. May use financial neutrals, child specialists, divorce coaches, consulting attorneys.
2. STAGE TWO: Drafting of Separation Agreement – neutral attorney-mediator
a. Usually takes several weeks for first draft.
b. Drafting attorney drafts a formal, written agreement based on the understandings reached in mediation (Stage One).
c. Clients review and make comments/changes.
d. May take several drafts before every detail is agreed upon.
e. Clients take agreement to reviewing attorneys, who go over it in detail and provide each client with independent review and legal advice.
3. STAGE THREE: Divorce papers/Court filing – mediator or one of the reviewing attorneys
a. We prepare the papers necessary for filing the divorce in New York State courts, incorporating terms agreed upon in mediation, consistent with agreement.
b. Signing.
c. Court will usually take 3-6 months to process.
d. We send court-certified copy of judgment of divorce to both parties.
3.3.2. Description of Divorce Mediation Process
from Nolo.com
3.3.3. Introduction to Collaborative Practice
International Academy of Collaborative Professionals
3.3.4 Lawyer as third-party neutral (excerpt) 3.3.4 Lawyer as third-party neutral (excerpt)
NYS Bar Association - Ethics Opinion 1178
New York State Bar Association
Committee on Professional Ethics
Opinion 1178 (12/13/2019)
Modifies NY State 678 (1996)
Topic: Lawyer as third-party neutral
Digest: A lawyer-mediator engaged in providing third-party neutral services is subject to Rule 2.4 but not the Rules that govern the representation of clients. As such, the lawyer-mediator is generally free to conduct the mediation in the way the lawyer thinks best, and to charge whatever fee may be appropriate, provided always that the lawyer fully discloses to the parties that the lawyer is acting as a disinterested mediator and not as counsel to any party, including the consequences of that difference. In the event of an agreement, the lawyer-mediator may memorialize the parties’ understanding in a document and may appear as counsel for one party (but not both) in filing a divorce action if the other party gives informed consent confirmed in writing.
3.4 Contested, Uncontested Divorce 3.4 Contested, Uncontested Divorce
DRL §§ 211, 232, 236-B (4)
3.4.1. Scene from "Intolerable Cruelty"
3.4.2 Selected Statutes Governing Divorce Proceedings 3.4.2 Selected Statutes Governing Divorce Proceedings
3.4.3 22 NYCRR 202.16 re Contested Matrimonial Actions 3.4.3 22 NYCRR 202.16 re Contested Matrimonial Actions
3.4.4 Automatic Orders (Handout for Clients) 3.4.4 Automatic Orders (Handout for Clients)
Automatic Orders
The mediation/collaborative process rests on a foundation of trust, particularly in regard to the financial wellbeing of the family. In a litigated divorce, both parties would have to abide by the “Automatic Orders” which take effect as soon as the divorce action is filed. The text of those orders is below. In order to maintain the integrity of our work together, we ask that you abide by the following, even though in most mediation or collaborative cases, the divorce action will not be filed until the settlement agreement has been reached:
- Neither party shall sell, transfer, encumber, conceal, assign, remove or in any way dispose of, without the consent of the other party in writing, or by order of the court, any property (including, but not limited to, real estate, personal property, cash accounts, stocks, mutual funds, bank accounts, cars and boats) individually or jointly held by the parties, except in the usual course of business, for customary and usual household expenses or for reasonable attorney's fee in connection with this action; and
- Neither party shall transfer, encumber, assign, remove, withdraw or in any way dispose of any tax deferred funds, stocks or other assets held in any individual retirement accounts, 401k accounts, profit sharing plans, Keogh accounts, or any other pension or retirement account, and the parties shall further refrain from applying for or requesting the payment of retirement benefits or annuity payments of any kind, without the consent of the other party in writing, or upon further order of the court; except that any party who is already in pay status may continue to receive such payments thereunder; and
- Neither party shall incur unreasonable debts hereafter, including, but not limited to, further borrowing against any credit line secured by the family residence, further encumbrancing any assets, or unreasonably using credit cards or cash advances against credit cards, except in the usual course of business or for customary or usual housing expenses, or for reasonable attorney's fees in connection with this action; and
- Neither party shall cause the other party or the children of the marriage to be removed from any existing medical, hospital and dental insurance coverage, and each party shall maintain the existing medical, hospital and dental insurance coverage in full force and effect; and
- Neither party shall change the beneficiaries of any existing life insurance policies, and each party shall maintain the existing life insurance, automobile insurance, homeowners and renters insurance policies in full force and effect.
New York Domestic Relations Law § 236 B(2)